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Feb 22, 2011, 04:42 AM // 04:42
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Canada bro.
Profession: A/D
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Eles just need a bandage fix. Make their pve skills better and their fine, no rework necessary at all. Elemental lord can boost attributes by 2, intensity can give armor penetration/reduction or some crap to elementalist spells.
Ezpz. Rangers actually matter, traps are impractical for the normal game, super niche. Ranger spirits are meh. Who cares if ritualist can use them better, ritualists have a primary mechanic specifically for spirits so no point in complaining about that. Regardless ranger spirits themselves are just lack luster, also niche. For general purpose stuff, the ranger just falls short. My assassin still wants his 10 recharge...or less, shadowsteps. Would love to see those Peacekeeper enforcers spamming beguiling haze every 15 seconds. That would be rage worthy. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 05:06 AM // 05:06
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2006
Profession: D/
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Feb 22, 2011, 05:09 AM // 05:09
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2010
Guild: [Pink]
Profession: P/
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In response to the OP:
Paragons really need an update (and weren't they supposed to be next on the list anyway?) Nerf imbagon and give them some options for play. I don't want to see a whole 9 month rework of the class, just a skill update, similar to what the mesmers got last may. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 05:24 AM // 05:24
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Fire Attunement GoLE Elemental Lord Intensity Cover Enchant Already 5 slots taken...eles need a bar compression update in addition to the above. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 05:51 AM // 05:51
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Northeastern Ohio
Guild: LaZy
Profession: P/W
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1: Rangers
Rangers are versatile, although sub-par at everything. They need the most help, currently. 2)Paragon tweaks Mostly high b/c it is a relatively easy fix in my eyes. -Buff chant effects, lower recharge, lower AoE (In the Area). -Make skill-specific skills (Lyric chants, Aria chants, possible some Anthem chants), IMS skills, and elite skills more widely usable and party effective (While not killing some of the skills that make paragons synergise with each other. paragon-full parties are fun. 3)HM eles Mostly a problem due to armor-sensitive damage being a joke in HM. Intensity is a start, but doesn't seem to effective for eles (more for ele secondaries) Ideally, Intensity is the skill to tweak to make eles more effective damage wise. Armor penetration would be cool, TBH. Tweaking too many monster-usable skills would be a bad thing. What also would be nice is if some of the +element attribute skills were changed to simply contribute to damage directly instead. +attribute adds minuscule damage and is generally a waste of a skill. ER has to die as well, at least for E/Mos. Usually I am opposed to this way of balancing, but a "disable monk skills for 20 seconds" kind of balance is just what the skill needs. 4) Monk Also a simple fix. better (or even some) energy management through PvE skills. Anet seems to have a double standard in not wanting to give monks good energy management, yet letting ER run around. Smiting is a different story. I don't personally care if it is buffed or not, but I really wonder why it's higher on Anet's priority than some of these other things. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 05:52 AM // 05:52
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Academy Page
Join Date: Feb 2011
Profession: E/Me
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To fix them, make the current Intensity a constant effect instead of a one shot, and add 10-15% armor penetration. Damage problem fixed. Also, tie it to energy storage so ritualists can't abuse it.  It might be a little bit overpowered then, but elementalists are SUPPOSED to be overpowered damage dealers. Aren't they? P.S. don't nerf shadow form. No need to do that. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 06:11 AM // 06:11
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2009
Profession: R/
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This is along the lines of the Kieran-type ranger, although I haven't gotten to that yet - What about rangers having "marks", that would function like A-Scan with instant activation but an aftercast? These "marks" (possibly only bow/ranged attack-related, to prevent overuse by other classes using different weapons) would provide a benefit whenever doing something to the marked target, such as causing conditions, interrupting, additional damage, etc. Maybe throw in/change some bow attacks to require a marked foe.
Oh, and another funny idea - How about a ranger skill that provides +x to all other weapon attributes besides marksmanship? Even though the "jack of all trades" thing with the ranger never really went well, you could get some fun out of it. :P Also, what if Intensity was changed to function sorta like A-Scan, but with elementalist spells? Would that be too OP or still underpowered? |
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Feb 22, 2011, 06:20 AM // 06:20
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: In a van, down by the river.
Guild: RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if I know, ask Lynette.
Profession: R/
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Feb 22, 2011, 07:15 AM // 07:15
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2008
Profession: E/Mo
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It seems to be an almost unanimous: RANGERS !
(Please address problem immediately, if not sooner  )Quote: " Dervs were the only melees that were forced to frequently stop attacking and moving to take advantage of many of their skills and their primary attribute. " Wrong! See Assassin .... Despite Critical being pretty useful, the Sin is still brought down a little too easily, especially compared to Warr, and now the almighty Derv I never was a fan of melee classes, however, almost all the skill balances at the start focused the casters and melee was somehow forgotten. Paragon: Disagree with a lot of what has been said. There's no better buffer in the game. Leadership is certainly a little off balance, but they're still push out decent damage & conditions. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 07:59 AM // 07:59
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: GMT +8
Guild: redt
Profession: Rt/
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I think they should change Assassins to use adrenaline to make them more in line with the rest of the melee classes.
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Feb 22, 2011, 08:46 AM // 08:46
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Blackwater Park
Guild: MpF
Profession: P/
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a decent paragon pve balance would be very appreciated
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Feb 22, 2011, 10:58 AM // 10:58
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Nov 2009
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Paragon needs major rework. I really want to see the paragon be able to do some decent damage with the spear and not to play 1 single bar. Also I want to be able to pvp with the paragon (atm I just can't make decent bars). In my opinion there is a lot to change to paragon and should had been done before dervish update.
Eles: - attunement casting time reduce to 1s (it's enough 1s to pvp too, a decent rupter will rupt it without problems) - intensity changed: 50..75% armour ignoring damage to nearby targets, no effect if you use non-elementalist skills, ends if u use non-elementalist skills - one of the useless glyphs changed to make the next 0..2 spells do armour ignoring damage (based on energy storage attributes), no effect if you use non-elementalist skills, ends if u use non-elementalist skills I personally don't have energy problems with my mo with ua on, i use Selfless Spirit as energy management. Last edited by thedukesd; Feb 22, 2011 at 11:03 AM // 11:03.. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 11:08 AM // 11:08
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jun 2009
Profession: R/
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I'll admit many sin skills require casting, but many of the skills that do are either meant to be used with other casting skills (and therefore not used by a melee, so not a problem) or used rather infrequently (and therefore not detrimental to dps like derv enchants were). Sins are also quick little buggers that do damage in short amounts of time, so interruptions to their damage aren't nearly as big of a deal. Dervs were slower, had to cast much more often, and were only good for pressure, so they were screwed. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 12:32 PM // 12:32
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Italy, Turin
Guild: Lake
Profession: E/
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Also, if Anet could give eles the uber-damage they should do, even in HM, why should i QQ if i can't prot with ER anymore? ER is what eles have to do to be useful now, but i'd be very happy to get rid of it for gain the lacking damage. Also, i see a lot of people saying:"OMG don't buff any ele's skill apart intensity and ele lord, mob would became insane!"....Well, you know, with last updates, mesmer(and now dervs i guess) became insane, and no one is QQing about it...a general rework would be very appreciated imo(if not needed). There are some interesting options discussed in other threads about how buff players and not so much HM eles. Last edited by AndrewSX; Feb 22, 2011 at 02:11 PM // 14:11.. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 01:17 PM // 13:17
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I agree with what many others have said Rangers (a core profession!) needed help the most, moreso than Dervish. Even allowing SoH to work on ranged attacks would be an improvement. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 02:08 PM // 14:08
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Canada bro.
Profession: A/D
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Especially if we're talking pve where the kid isn't even supposed to be on the frontlines for an extensive period of time, so what the hell is he doing building adrenaline? Giving him adrenaline just for the sake of "ooh all melee use adrenaline" is silly. Adrenaline would be damaging to the profession with the current chain mechanic that they already have in place. So where is adrenaline going to go? To their utility skills? Which are already bad? Yeah no. We've got a crappy Deadly Arts line, a line that's only purpose is shadow form, and all the other utility but critical agility and 2/3 other skills is trash. Now we're going to slap on adrenaline to a profession that has a linear attack pattern? Not even funny. Quote:
I said made the skills better so you immediately decided that both EL and Intensity need to be on the same bar? Worse yet you decide you need a cover enchant when intensity lasts 10 seconds when area's with noteworthy enchantment removal will remove more than one enchantment anyways. If you went FA, Gole, intensity, then you slap on damage skills and go home. Your example is just overdosing for the sake of doing so. It's not a bar compression issue it's "pick what the hell is important". If Intensity gets buffed or EL, or both, that doesn't mean you need to take both. Hell at the same time that doesn't mean you even need a cover enchantment if intensity remains at a measly 10 seconds. Last edited by ensoriki; Feb 22, 2011 at 02:15 PM // 14:15.. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 02:13 PM // 14:13
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Italy, Turin
Guild: Lake
Profession: E/
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^Agree with above posters.
Sins do not need adrenaline, they have Critical Strikes for manage their energy...if you're running out of it, you'r doing something wrong. Also, Zealous dagger tang says "Hi!". |
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Feb 22, 2011, 06:38 PM // 18:38
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2007
Guild: [IG]
Profession: R/
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Rangers - In PVE they are just not worth a party slot when compared to just about any other damage class/build.
Ele's - How about we let them damage stuff instead of being a healing class. Para's - Needs a boost to damage and better utility via party wide buffs.Either that or just change the class name to Imbagon However I'm fairly sure that on Anets past performances the next OMFGWTFBBQ buffs will be to Rits Dervs and necros. |
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Feb 22, 2011, 08:57 PM // 20:57
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Poland
Guild: N/A
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Too bad best & easiest solutions usually find no/scarce public support. Anet instead of fixing stuff, is forced to play politics ... |
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Feb 22, 2011, 09:00 PM // 21:00
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
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As for the cover enchant...you pretty much stated the problem that I've been having with Eles and PvE, which is that I pretty much have to defend my attunement to the death if I don't want to end up with 0 energy and having to sit there regening after every mob. They should either make attunements a skill...or tack attunement functions onto other skills so that its not relied on as much. Also known as bar compression. |
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